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Since we were talking about the use of the word "slut", I'd like to ask the tribe what they think about promiscuous sex. It is morally or spiritually wrong? Does it keep us from realizing our true spirituality?
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Re: Promiscuity
Fri, October 14, 2005 - 8:19 PMNo, not really.
If that means 'Yes' then explain why it is so. -
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Re: Promiscuity
Fri, October 14, 2005 - 9:52 PMTo reach enlightenment????
i believe promiscuity leaves a road map on our bodies
i have had many men more than i can count
i have learned
Solitude is beauitful.. painful at times
how do i look at sex now more men later than i want to say
all i can tell you is i want to enter this act not simpley as a physcial pleasure but an encounter with the holy
As the great teacher EARNEST HOMES say's THE ANSWER IS IN THE QUESTION
Earnest Homes Founder of Science Of Mind
blessings Sensei
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Re: Promiscuity
Sat, October 15, 2005 - 12:48 AMI think the "consequences" (emotional, mental, physical) of engaging in promiscuous sex could perhaps actually open the door and provide opportunity for *awakening* to Spirit. Of course, provided one is Open to "seeing" this "gift/opportunity" in the first place.
Why is one promiscuous to begin with?? Are they looking for Love externally? Are they seeking approval from others and outside themselves? Are they looking for validation? Attention? Are they addicted to sex?? Are they creating distractions? Are they misguided in thinking that wanton sex will fill the void they feel within themselves or qualify their self worth???
If one is choosing to operate from their lower chakras, *but* they are willing to stop and ask themselves these types of questions, and are ready to face Shadow and potentionally Do the Work to transmute the darkness....wouldn't that be a step in realizing their true Spirituality...???
Then, by the same token, one choosing to engage in promiscuous behavior without looking at what is driving them to do it, I would think that that would keep them from realizing their true connection to Spirit... and the "consequences" of their behavior would manifest in their life, repeatedly, in a pattern, until the person came to the point of acknowledging Truth.
Morally speaking, I don't think it is right or wrong per say. Our morals as a culture change from minute to minute. That which was totally unacceptable 40 years ago, may very well be the "norm" today. For example, having a child out of wedlock. Also, if something can hurt, cause pain or suffering for yourself or another, that might be considered morally "wrong"..but don't the things that are painful offer the chance for the most learning and healing??
I am certainly not justifying "bad" choices in behavior.... I am merely saying we can choose to look at things as positive opportunity for learning and healing and that we can consciously create our reality/reactions to behaviors instead of being victims to them...we can be accountable on both sides. (that is a whole other thread) :)
As for engaging in promiscuous sex, I think it has more to do with a facet of opportunity for personal growth, healing, and realizing one's Divinity and wholeness. Lessons and truths that can be learned in many different ways and forms... but for some who have chosen this path, will be through the experience and consequences and "price" of promiscuous sex. -
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Re: Promiscuity
Sat, October 15, 2005 - 1:55 PMThese are great considerations.
I think that Violet Starlight brought up a wonderful point. Indeed, WHY is one promiscuous to begin with?
I have a friend who is shedding her Catholic shame. She is being promiscuous in this time. She is young but very intelligent. I don't see her doing so for much longer.
It occurs to me that this also might be relative. I know someone who has three lovers and does not consider himself to be promiscuous. I know some people would qualify that as promiscuous.
I like Lolas consideration. She wants the act to be holy. With that in mind, I think there is a difference between sacred sex and just fucking (or sucking or what have you). Its like the difference between the sacrament of Holy Communion and just sucking on a peice of bread.
I do, however, want to point out the dangers of promiscuity. STD's are REAL. One of my closest friend is finding that out the hard way. I am also talking about emotional dangers. Love is so easy to confuse with sex that I think some people just shouldn't have promiscuous sex.
One of the Buddhist vows is to not misuse sexuality. There are more obvious examples of this (rape, cohersion, sex with subordinates and other non-consensual acts). But now comes the thought of squandering ones energy. Any thoughts on that? -
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Re: Promiscuity
Sat, October 15, 2005 - 2:54 PMI believe my Promiscuity was a bit of feeling power ,,,,
PUSSEY POWER '
to have the last word " can you have it or not
i was so abused as a child not sexualy ,but beaten to a pulp
i was not allowed to date ANYONE { my father was a police decetive}
i was really looking for love young and confused
spiritualy young means to me
i believe " we are not an age but an energy "
and how we use sex depleats our spiritual path
THIS I KNOW
KARMA IS POWERFUL
WITH EVER ACTION THERE IS A REACTIOn
i have been silent and still for several years now
and in that silent lonley ,unloved , place where i have curled up in ball feeling like i was going to die from not being held i relized that false love one night stands brings me into samsara{the hell realms}
i learned to love my self at long last.........
i still have many insecurities
emotional maturity is one of the greatest achievements of awarness.
with that comes patience
this is my life '''''''''''''
we all need the blesings of love
and i rather sleep in my bed and wake up alone than wake up empty
LOVE IS WHAT CONNECTS US
CONSCIOUS LOVE THAT CARES can bring us through the dark night
Conscious loving conscious eating is a spiritual artform
bless you Sensei -
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Re: Promiscuity
Sat, October 15, 2005 - 3:26 PMIn regards to your friend shedding Catholic shame by engaging in promiscuous sex... I think that is a profound invitation and pathway for self-exploration and intense *Initiation*...and also would allow her to call forth the creation and realization of *Balance*. Again, the spiritual door is then opened to higher self awareness through the act of perceiving where one is operating from....
As for your friend with 3 lovers.... Again- I think what is important is asking what his motivation is behind needing or wanting such a situation?? What are his intentions in creating this multi-partner situation?? Is his motivation pure and coming from his authentic higher self OR is it something that I mentioned before...?? Perhaps being born of some form of fear....narcissim...or needing of validation of self worth... is it enabling denial on his part, etc ???
Sensei- fantastic analogy with the sacred sex vs just fucking/sucking and the sacrament of Holy communion.
Are you having sex because you want the explore your carnal nature, your love of physical reality and pleasure, your love of the senses, your interest in power and attraction???.....Are you addicted to these aspects of the human experience in this multi-dimensional space?
.....Are you allowing yourself to succumb to the spirit of decadent desires or second chakra imbalances.....
..OR are you having sex to genuinely energetically connect with another human being on the *Heart* level...making love as God Goddess, inviting the Beloved to Love with you and your partner and on such a level that you experience the essence and spark of creation itself!!
Receiving and giving total love, passion, faith (which requires a much deeper level of trust than with the casual partner)....and this practice, in contrast to "just fucking", can indeed put us in touch with our True Nature and the deepest connection to Spirit.
Squandering one's energy is also a valid concern. That giving up of Life Force... the energetic cords and ties that are created upon sharing one's sacred space with another... The extreme disharmony of the yin and yang from excessive ejaculation, as well as creating dis-ease in the body (according to Chinese Medicine)...
Also, the energetic exchange between partners.. For example-are you engaging with a partner who perhaps is operating from a "lower" or more "unconscious" state and who is potentially "sucking" up your energy ('scuse the pun!!) -
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Re: Promiscuity
Sat, October 15, 2005 - 4:43 PMlove is what connects us to the spiritual
promiscuity distracts us i have used sex as a dirversion and would always feel an aching for " spiritual love "
when i feel scared and it all seems so hopeless i go to this wonderful thought
WHAT I AM SEEKEING IS SEEKING ME
loving my self is considering myself
and by being still and alone untouched and un loved is not an easy road
it is abandonment to spiritual violation an insult to my self that follows with conflicts drama and self lothing
i embrace my past
i feel no guilt Just intelligant regret
Shalom lola
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Re: Promiscuity
Mon, October 17, 2005 - 4:55 PMMany people seem to think that Paganism is almost synonymous with promiscuity. Personally, I think it's a choice. I'm a virgin, and I'm not inclined to run out and have sex for whatever reason (religious or otherwise). I am simply not a promiscuous person. It has nothing to do with my religious feelings. I'm the one who decides what goes on with my body. To link my lack of sexual interest in any way to my spiritual beliefs would be to displace any responsibility for my decisions. Lack of personal responsibility is probably my biggest pet peeve when it comes to organized religions.
However, I don't see anything wrong with other people having sex, even as a road to spiritual understanding. That's what tantra is for, right? All roads lead to the same destination. They just have different scenery.
Besides, if I'm not breeding, someone has to do it or eventually we'll be extinct. ;) -
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Re: Promiscuity
Mon, October 17, 2005 - 11:23 PM"and i rather sleep in my bed and wake up alone than wake up empty"
word.
this is where i'm at too.
i was wild in college, 15 years ago. And then i went from one bad relationship to the next, with little space in between to find out what it's like just being me and in love with that. I was recently devastated by the father of my children and very deep scars were left. He left a hole in me that no one may ever fill. Until i find a way to fill it myself, i've decided to be celibate. I've decided this BECAUSE 10 years ago i would have filled it with being wanted, desired and loved by another man who ultimately wasn't enough for me. No one is enough for me. Like Lola, i was not nurtured or supported emotionally as a child, so i went out looking for it in all the wrong places. This last relationship was the worst because he just wouldn't give it up--i know he had the depth of love and strength of character i needed, but he reserved it for fear of being hurt. If it's right there, in the man who helped me make the kids, and i still can't have it, then i am probably supposed to be finding that on my own and not trying to get it from someone too afraid to love me.
So back to being promiscuous, i have no issues around sex. I can have sex at any level i want to, with any kind of man i choose. I can have sex with a friend and not have it be weird the next time we see each other, and not have any regrets. I was wild in college because i could be--i hadn't a care in the world, was always safe about it, slept with people's boyfriends, cheated on my boyfriend, whatever. It was all a game to me. Now that sex has so much more power, i can't do this anymore. When it comes to REAL sex, like unprotected, fluid-exchange sex, i treat that like the most holy act there is. I have only done that with 5 people in my whole life and there has only been one in the past 9 years--the one whose sacred seed brought my beautiful children into my life. I can't allow myself to connect on that level with someone who isn't aware of how sacred and powerful that is, the holy amrita. That is a whole other level of celibacy to me--even if i were to hook up with someone now, it wouldn't be like THAT. I am reserving that for...however long it takes to get over my kids' father and let myself fall in love again. By then i could be an old shriveled up hag.
But there is another level of promiscuity that i'm aware of. It's being promiscuous with love. I can connect with my heart wide-open very easily and i can share this with many people without feeling like a slut. This isn't about sex to me. I've always been free like this, heart chakra unabashedly open. Sometimes it's turned sexual, sometimes not. This is a level of promiscuity that i have no problem engaging, in fact it may help me to heal. I am reserving intercourse for a very cosmic, undeniable mutual connection and i will wait until i KNOW that i feel it.
thanks for the topic, it was a surprise to find it in here.
m7
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Re: Promiscuity
Tue, October 18, 2005 - 10:08 AMIt is morally or spiritually wrong?
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Sex is a natural human action, like taking a crap, or eating, or sleeping.
Sex is not and cannot be amoral, or wrong - anymore than eating or sleeping can be wrong.
BUT, we don't take craps in our gardens, we cant eat anythign we want or just before bed, and if we sleep too little or too much, it is usually a sign that somethign else is wrong.
The point is, there is nothing spiriutally wrong with sex. But how you use sex, if you abuse it, if you are addicted to it, if you don't understand social limites, or if you aren't safe - all can distract from the path.
Promisquity is not about having too much sex, or having too many partners, as much as it's about INDISCIMINANT sex. not taking the time to evuluate who we sleep with and why.
To me, the is nothign wrong with having 100s of sex partners or only one. There is nothign wrong with having more than one partner at a time (in the same bed), or having no partner and doing it all on your own, as it were.
As long as your life is filled with healhty relationships, what you do sexually isn't really an issues... to me.
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Re: Promiscuity
Fri, May 12, 2006 - 2:28 PMI have spent a lot of my life let us say very sexually active... My need was to find connection with another, and to feel loved. I projected this outside of myself onto others and forgot to love myself. This led to me hating myself for my behaviour and a spiralling pattern of looking for love, giving myself sexually to gain love, and then hating myself once again. I may be wrong but I think maybe behind all sexual promiscuity lies some need and a projection of that need outwards. Now that I am aware of the cords and connections that are set up through sexual activity, and my needs, I keep my sexual activity to a connection with the divine within my partner, and I am working at loving myself... -
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Re: Promiscuity
Mon, May 14, 2007 - 5:05 PMfrom my point of veiw this is very logical,
promiscuous sex cant be spritual if its only done for physical purposes of pleasure,
if its fulfilling a spiritual purpose it has to be based on feelings with high vibrational rate such as love right ?
the question is : can such feelings be involved in promiscuous sex ?
/Robin -
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Re: Promiscuity
Mon, May 14, 2007 - 5:20 PMthe anwser is in the question ;)
peace
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Re: Promiscuity
Wed, May 16, 2007 - 9:23 AMOf course it can. sprituality does not require that you know the person you are sharing your experiences with. it requires that you set particular limits and expectations on what you are doing, and go from there.
For example, if you are going to use sex to act as a conduit to meditation, you and your partner talk about the techniques involved, and at that point, you are connecting with this person before you, deeply. but it doesn't have to be someone you know or love.
some of my most insightful, spiritual, fulfilling moments have been in the arms (nonsexual - but that's cause i've got some sexual hangups) of virtual strangers. after writing/singing powerful music, after intense inipi ceremonies, after sensually overpowering sun dances, etc.
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Re: Promiscuity
Wed, May 16, 2007 - 1:45 PMHey Kip,
Thanks alot for your opinion it has given me insight (:
Peace
/robin
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